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My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 1:37:32 AM   
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This weird thing happened on our way to church last week. My dad has been on meds for depression and anxiety. I'm not sure if he had one or both but I from what I've observed, it's depression. He's 86. He feels he doesn't need the meds anymore and doesn't have anymore, he finished taking them. The difference in him while on the meds and off of them is night and day! He was so calm and cool when he was on them. He was like a totally different person. As you can see by the title of my thread, he's not that way anymore.

We were in the car and my mom had the sun visor extender down. She drives the car almost all of the time. My dad has a van but my sister had borrowed it, so we took the car. My mom is short so the sun visor isn't enough even with her sun glasses so she bought the extender from a catalog in the mail. Without it, sometimes the sun was directly in her face and she couldn't see any cars ahead of her.

My dad was complaining because the extender hit him in the face, or so he says. He started yelling. "Why does she have this stupid thing anyway? There against the law!" I said "Because the visor isn't enough and the sun is in her eyes!" He says "Why doesn't she wear sunglasses then?" I said "She does. It's not enough!" He said "She shouldn't have this! It's against the law!" That's how it went on our way to church. He could have taken it off and given it to me to hold or put it in the back seat if he didn't want to use it and it was hitting him in the face. He could have put it up. He didn't go either, just yell at me. Hey, it's my mom's car. Why are you yelling at me?

What should I have done? I felt so bad yelling at him but he was yelling at me for something that I didn't do! My mom doesn't go to church anymore because her knees really bother her and the up and down and kneeling in our church really bothers her. If she went, then he would have yelled at her. When I got home, I told her what happened. He got mad because he said I told on him. Well, yeah, since it had nothing to do with me and I was the closest person to yell at. We both wish he would go back on his meds. If I said I was sorry to him, he would not have said he was sorry for yelling at me. Should I have said sorry anyway? I told God I was sorry.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 1:40:19 AM   
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Also, do you know if those sun visor extenders are against the law? My dad says he heard they were from somewhere, but I bought them from a catalog that is very popular and well known and sells lots of different home and household things. I tried to google it but I came up with nothing. I live in CT if that makes any difference.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 6:33:06 AM   
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My dad was complaining because the extender hit him in the face, or so he says. He started yelling. "Why does she have this stupid thing anyway? There against the law!" I said "Because the visor isn't enough and the sun is in her eyes!" He says "Why doesn't she wear sunglasses then?" I said "She does. It's not enough!" He said "She shouldn't have this! It's against the law!" That's how it went on our way to church. He could have taken it off and given it to me to hold or put it in the back seat if he didn't want to use it and it was hitting him in the face. He could have put it up. He didn't go either,

And you could have just kept quiet, and said nothing.

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What should I have done?

Said nothing. From his first comment, he wasn't talking to you. He was just making a statement.

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When I got home, I told her what happened. He got mad because he said I told on him.

You did. You were stirring the pot for no reason. That may not have been your intention, but that's what you did.

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Should I have said sorry anyway?

Yes.
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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 10:24:41 AM   
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My dad was complaining because the extender hit him in the face, or so he says. He started yelling. "Why does she have this stupid thing anyway? There against the law!" I said "Because the visor isn't enough and the sun is in her eyes!" He says "Why doesn't she wear sunglasses then?" I said "She does. It's not enough!" He said "She shouldn't have this! It's against the law!" That's how it went on our way to church. He could have taken it off and given it to me to hold or put it in the back seat if he didn't want to use it and it was hitting him in the face. He could have put it up. He didn't go either,

And you could have just kept quiet, and said nothing.

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What should I have done?

Said nothing. From his first comment, he wasn't talking to you. He was just making a statement.

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When I got home, I told her what happened. He got mad because he said I told on him.

You did. You were stirring the pot for no reason. That may not have been your intention, but that's what you did.

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Should I have said sorry anyway?

Yes.


I agree with this completely. If your elderly Dad is depressed and/or suffering from anxiety, you should have taken the higher road.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 10:35:13 AM   
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You could have said "Yeah, getting hit with that thing is probably annoying. Here, let me hold it so it's out of your way." Fire put out, right there.

You should not have tattled on him to your mom.

As things stand now, you could apologize. I bet he'd appreciate that. While he's responsible for his behavior, it would be very good for you to learn that you don't have to argue about everything, even if the other person is wrong. If he wants to be cranky, you don't have to get participate in that, or feed the flames.

Remember he's an older guy, with internal "issues" that are not being treated.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 2:28:44 PM   
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I agree with the above, he was just fussing but not at you. You should absolutely not have told on him. Why would you? Definately apologize.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 3:06:19 PM   
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Great responses in this thread!


Gail, may I ask your age?


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If I said I was sorry to him, he would not have said he was sorry for yelling at me.
Is that why you make apologies? To get one in return?

A true, contrite apology from the heart is just that; sincere and heartfelt. And a sincere apology does not come with any conditions; i.e., I apologized to you; so now, you have to apologize to me.

Also, an apology is given by a person when they have wronged another person; an apology should not be demanded by someone simply because they got their feathers unnecessarily ruffled.

I would encourage you to again read through the replies in this thread; they are most excellent.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 3:21:10 PM   
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It's one of the toughest things in the world to offer an apology to someone when you didn't start the problem and you know they probably won't acknowledge their own fault.

I'm hearing that you're not happy about your dad going off his meds and that you feel he's made a mistake in doing so (at the expense of his family's feelings). I understand why you would be concerned about it, but it might help to keep the following things in mind...

1. Your dad is 86. At this point in his life, he is who he is and won't be changing.

2. He was absolutely wrong for yelling (even if it wasn't "at" you specifically, I understand how nerve-wracking it is to be in the car with someone who just "goes off" about something as trivial as a visor), but that doesn't mean he's going to admit it.

3. Most likely he regrets his behavior, even if he never actually says anything about it.


Given the probability that your dad won't be apologizing, try to let the matter drop. However, I wouldn't think you were out of line if you decided to find alternative transportation to church (or started driving your parents to church).

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 3:24:08 PM   
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I think the advice you are getting is sound.

Given what you have explained about his state of mind, I think you are going to have to be extra gracious with him. Now that you know it irritates him so much, next time you could remove the visor before he gets in the car.

I am wondering--do you drive? Perhaps you can drive next time.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/18/2010 3:34:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EclecticJoy
Gail, may I ask your age?

Click on her handle & see her profile...


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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/19/2010 12:27:36 AM   
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I was reading what you guys all said and what I wrote and boy, do I sound like a rotten child and believe me, I am not. It upsets me that my dad is depressed and that I don't know what to do about it. I live at home at 55 because I can't afford to live anywhere else right now. I help out a lot. I do the laundry, the dishes that can't go in the dishwasher, the cooking, etc. I am not one of those children who sleeps all day and won't get a job and drinks and does drugs. I guess it just surprised me that he was yelling at me.

Yes, I could have removed the extended sun visor and that is probably what I should have done. I just can't figure out where he heard they were illegal. I bought it from Miles Kimball and they have been around forever, so I know they would never sell anything illegal.

It's so hard to see my dad like this. When he was on his meds, like I said, he was wonderful. He was like his old self and he couldn't drink. It was in big letters on his meds and he hasn't had a drink since Oct. which is good. I forgot, he had one at a restaurant and he did what he always does, asked my mom if he could have one at the restaurant. What is she gonna do, make a scene? He was off of his meds for a week or 2 he said. She told him only one. Then he had something he hasn't had in I don't know how long, a glass of water! He drinks down our cellar and hides it. I usually find it. Water? What's that? He never drinks it. Sometimes he has 2 or 3 cans of soda a day, Coke. He also doesn't drink milk.

He baths or showers every 2 weeks if that. He never changes his underwear or socks unless my mom can get them when he is in the shower or bath and change them. He doesn't feel he needs to because he doesn't sweat or get dirty. He doesn't use deodorant or anything on his under arms. A lot of times he smells. He says if we tell him about it, we are treating him like a baby and he knows what he has to do. He does brush his teeth, at least I think so. I know all of these are signs of depression.

I'm just so worried about his health. So is my mom. My middle sister says he's depressed because he's 86 and what does he have to live for except for death? She says he must know he's going to die soon, not because he is physically sick like with Cancer but because he's 86. She says a lot of his friends have died, which they have and that is depressing him. She says we don't talk to him enough and that we don't do. I guess besides the fact that we don't like the same things he does like sports which he suddenly has on all the time when before he didn't watch them hardly at all, it's because he can't hear and when we talk to him, we have to repeat things 3 or 4 times. When a game or his favorite TV show is on, we can't talk at all or he tells us to be quiet. It's hard to talk to him.

Sometimes I think the Devil is in our house and causing all this. I pray every night for my dad and my family. I love my mom and dad more than I can even tell you.

One more thing. I can't drive. There are lots of reasons but sometimes I have double vision. They call it an astigmatism and I never know when I will have it. I have floaters which are supposed to go away but they haven't. I am very short and would need one of those cars that handicapped people have because I can't reach anything or see behind me or on the sides. You don't want me on the road. My dad is a good driver and he likes to drive. If we ever have to take his license away, I don't know what he will do, because sometimes he feels useless now that he retired. He doesn't want to do anything but he will drive anybody anywhere. I can also take city buses and walk places or take taxis and I have. I also pay for gas and other things.

I hope I haven't rambled and that you guys can now understand what is going on in my house. I will not let the devil win!

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/19/2010 10:33:19 AM   
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I was reading what you guys all said and what I wrote and boy, do I sound like a rotten child and believe me, I am not. It upsets me that my dad is depressed and that I don't know what to do about it. I live at home at 55 because I can't afford to live anywhere else right now. I help out a lot. I do the laundry, the dishes that can't go in the dishwasher, the cooking, etc. I am not one of those children who sleeps all day and won't get a job and drinks and does drugs. I guess it just surprised me that he was yelling at me.

Yes, I could have removed the extended sun visor and that is probably what I should have done. I just can't figure out where he heard they were illegal. I bought it from Miles Kimball and they have been around forever, so I know they would never sell anything illegal.

It's so hard to see my dad like this. When he was on his meds, like I said, he was wonderful. He was like his old self and he couldn't drink. It was in big letters on his meds and he hasn't had a drink since Oct. which is good. I forgot, he had one at a restaurant and he did what he always does, asked my mom if he could have one at the restaurant. What is she gonna do, make a scene? He was off of his meds for a week or 2 he said. She told him only one. Then he had something he hasn't had in I don't know how long, a glass of water! He drinks down our cellar and hides it. I usually find it. Water? What's that? He never drinks it. Sometimes he has 2 or 3 cans of soda a day, Coke. He also doesn't drink milk.

He baths or showers every 2 weeks if that. He never changes his underwear or socks unless my mom can get them when he is in the shower or bath and change them. He doesn't feel he needs to because he doesn't sweat or get dirty. He doesn't use deodorant or anything on his under arms. A lot of times he smells. He says if we tell him about it, we are treating him like a baby and he knows what he has to do. He does brush his teeth, at least I think so. I know all of these are signs of depression.

I'm just so worried about his health. So is my mom. My middle sister says he's depressed because he's 86 and what does he have to live for except for death? She says he must know he's going to die soon, not because he is physically sick like with Cancer but because he's 86. She says a lot of his friends have died, which they have and that is depressing him. She says we don't talk to him enough and that we don't do. I guess besides the fact that we don't like the same things he does like sports which he suddenly has on all the time when before he didn't watch them hardly at all, it's because he can't hear and when we talk to him, we have to repeat things 3 or 4 times. When a game or his favorite TV show is on, we can't talk at all or he tells us to be quiet. It's hard to talk to him.

Sometimes I think the Devil is in our house and causing all this. I pray every night for my dad and my family. I love my mom and dad more than I can even tell you.

One more thing. I can't drive. There are lots of reasons but sometimes I have double vision. They call it an astigmatism and I never know when I will have it. I have floaters which are supposed to go away but they haven't. I am very short and would need one of those cars that handicapped people have because I can't reach anything or see behind me or on the sides. You don't want me on the road. My dad is a good driver and he likes to drive. If we ever have to take his license away, I don't know what he will do, because sometimes he feels useless now that he retired. He doesn't want to do anything but he will drive anybody anywhere. I can also take city buses and walk places or take taxis and I have. I also pay for gas and other things.

I hope I haven't rambled and that you guys can now understand what is going on in my house. I will not let the devil win!


That explains alot. My grandfather became neglectful of his hygiene too, among other things, when he got into his 80's. I'm not sure why that is, though.

I hope I didn't hurt your feelings with my comments. I never meant to imply that you were a bad child to your parents at all.

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/19/2010 11:02:01 AM   
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My middle sister says he's depressed because he's 86 and what does he have to live for except for death? She says he must know he's going to die soon, not because he is physically sick like with Cancer but because he's 86. She says a lot of his friends have died, which they have and that is depressing him. She says we don't talk to him enough and that we don't do.


Your sister pretty much nailed it.

You want him to be like "his old self" and apparently his doctor gave him pills that sort of did that--at least from your perspective. But did he *feel* like his old self on the pills? I would doubt that.

At eighty-six you are sliding in to home. Nothing works like it used to, you can't hear, you can't see...you can't even go to the bathroom when you want (and most of those pills exacerbate that problem). Face it--that would depress a hyena.

Cut him some slack, have some actual conversations with the guy--find *something* you can ask him about and let him talk for a while. Heck, I am not interested in everything people talk to me about all the time, but I love them and try to listen for them, not for me.-

And you will just have to find a way to block out the crotchety-ness. But take heart, because someday someone will have to block out *your* crotchety-ness. So when you ignore his, consider it casting your bread upon the water

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/22/2010 12:10:49 AM   
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SecretGarden, you did not hurt my feelings. At first I thought you did, but when I read it back, I realized how I sounded. Its hard when you write to see how a person feels because sometimes words just don't do it, but then again, sometimes you can't tell by seeing someone see you either. I knew what you meant.

Hey, tonight my dad took a shower and the other day I found his underwear in the hamper and my mom didn't put them there! Progress! LOL I know my mom was happy.

I am trying to ignore his crotchety-ness and I do know that when I get to be that age, I will probably be the same. I have to say I saw this on a tee shirt and it made me laugh. It relates to this situation. "Be kind to your children for they will pick out your nursing home."

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RE: My dad yelled at me on our way to church! - 3/22/2010 10:48:15 AM   
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SecretGarden, you did not hurt my feelings. At first I thought you did, but when I read it back, I realized how I sounded. Its hard when you write to see how a person feels because sometimes words just don't do it, but then again, sometimes you can't tell by seeing someone see you either. I knew what you meant.

Hey, tonight my dad took a shower and the other day I found his underwear in the hamper and my mom didn't put them there! Progress! LOL I know my mom was happy.

I am trying to ignore his crotchety-ness and I do know that when I get to be that age, I will probably be the same. I have to say I saw this on a tee shirt and it made me laugh. It relates to this situation. "Be kind to your children for they will pick out your nursing home."


LOL! That's funny (the t-shirt saying)....

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. You're right - it's very difficult to discern intent when communicating on a message board.

I'm glad to hear there's been some progress on your home front.



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